| Question of Funeral Palls |
Mon, 07 February 2011 04:12  |
 Augsburg Boy
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I was asked and stumped, if there was any similar parament for cremation urns. I've had funerals before with the urn but never the request. Anyone?
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| Re: Question of Funeral Palls |
Mon, 07 February 2011 04:28  |
Gabby
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Augsburg Boy wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 08:12I was asked and stumped, if there was any similar parament for cremation urns. I've had funerals before with the urn but never the request. Anyone?
There is.
While a pall is never used with cremated remains in the Catholic Church, other Churches use them.
http://www.almy.com/Product/56473/category/FuneralPalls/pare nt/ChurchVestments
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| Re: Question of Funeral Palls |
Mon, 07 February 2011 09:51 |
Karl
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It's simply an instruction in the Order of Christian Funerals no 434. There is no explanation. Probably practical: the pall is an echo of the baptismal alb, and urns are simply too small - the visual imagery would be of a veil, rather than a garment. Just speculation on my part, FWIW. Remember that a funeral Mass with cremated remains is only done under indult, and that's a relatively recent development of the last decade or so. Before the indult, funeral Masses had to precede cremation. And, of course, cremation's only been permitted for a couple of generations now.
So, this is an area that is only at the initial stage of development and reflection on symbolism. Give it a couple of hundred years.
[Updated on: Mon, 07 February 2011 09:54]
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| Re: Question of Funeral Palls |
Mon, 07 February 2011 11:52 |
Gabby
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Karl wrote on Mon, 07 February 2011 13:51It's simply an instruction in the Order of Christian Funerals no 434. There is no explanation. Probably practical: the pall is an echo of the baptismal alb, and urns are simply too small - the visual imagery would be of a veil, rather than a garment. Just speculation on my part, FWIW. Remember that a funeral Mass with cremated remains is only done under indult, and that's a relatively recent development of the last decade or so. Before the indult, funeral Masses had to precede cremation. And, of course, cremation's only been permitted for a couple of generations now.
So, this is an area that is only at the initial stage of development and reflection on symbolism. Give it a couple of hundred years.
I think that it's because there is no 'body' to cover with a pall. The prayers change when we have Mass in the presence of cremated remains rather than in the presence of a body: all mention of 'body' is removed. You can't 'clothe' ashes.
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| Re: Question of Funeral Palls |
Mon, 07 February 2011 11:59 |
Karl
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I forgot about the change in the prayers part.
Cremains are "ashes" but they are much more substantial than mere dust.
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| Re: Question of Funeral Palls |
Mon, 07 February 2011 16:14 |
Anne
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I remember Father Jim Field explaining to us in a class on the Order of Christian Funerals that when the cremated remains are present, all references to Baptism are omitted,including the pall. It was the body that was baptized, not the ashes. The prayers are different but respectful in the sense that the ashes were once the body of a baptized person.
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